piratemonkey 0 Posted April 28, 2011 In the interest of being part of the solution and not part of the problem, I'd like to make a public service announcement: When you're in the wilderness and have to do the deuce, dig a little hole with your boot, do what must be done, and then cover it up with some dirt. As for the tp, I carry a ziploc bag and pack it out, but I get why some people would be loathe to do that -- if you are one, at least bury your tp along with your poop. One of the most pathetic areas I've seen is near the sand dam at Superstition. I get that people need to relieve themselves, but I don't get why there had to be clumps of toilet paper all over the place. I happened to be thinking about this since the upcoming Bar 10 trip will involve a fair number of people traveling the same facility-free roads. This, after another large group has recently been there. And before them, who knows who else made the same trip along the same roads. You may think you're in the middle of nowhere, but that nowhere is another backcountry enthusiast's somewhere. Now don't go accusing me of being an eco-nazi just because I don't want to see turd piles and tp. It's just the civil thing to do, and without civility, the overturning of garbage cans and stranger-on-stranger stabbings begin... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim 0 Posted April 28, 2011 One of the most pathetic areas I've seen is near the sand dam at Superstition. I'm also amazed at the number of glass beer bottles that I've found and packed out of that same area over the last couple of years. Probably about two dozen! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirt dame 559 Posted April 28, 2011 I agree with the plea. I have been riding at Corral Canyon and seen mounds of dooky and toilet paper right in the middle of the road. WTF? The person couldn't even go behind the bushes off the edge of the road??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTMrad 508 Posted April 28, 2011 I agree with the plea. I have been riding at Corral Canyon and seen mounds of dooky and toilet paper right in the middle of the road. WTF? The person couldn't even go behind the bushes off the edge of the road??? Remember, Corral Canyon area is in a corridor used by illegals....just sayin'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tlking6 0 Posted April 28, 2011 Or, you could ride one of these Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ADV Bum 205 Posted April 28, 2011 I agree with the plea. I have been riding at Corral Canyon and seen mounds of dooky and toilet paper right in the middle of the road. WTF? The person couldn't even go behind the bushes off the edge of the road??? There is snakes in those bushes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ADV Bum 205 Posted April 28, 2011 As for the tp, I carry a ziploc bag and pack it out Gross Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTMrad 508 Posted April 28, 2011 As for the tp, I carry a ziploc bag and pack it out Gross Heck, who needs a ziploc bag ?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dsfox 0 Posted April 28, 2011 Thanks to Zina for being bold enough to bring it up...though it has likely disturbed most of us at some point........as a backpacker far before being a dual sporter, I have always maintained the "tread lightly, and leave it better than you found it" policy of all the great outdoors.....just means we want to maintain the beauty and appreciate it..(and leave it beautiful for the next visitors)........exploring the wilderness is a big reason many of us love dual sport riding so much.........seems everything shared should be common sense, but then again....common sense, isn't so common any more Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirt dame 559 Posted April 28, 2011 I agree with the plea. I have been riding at Corral Canyon and seen mounds of dooky and toilet paper right in the middle of the road. WTF? The person couldn't even go behind the bushes off the edge of the road??? Remember, Corral Canyon area is in a corridor used by illegals....just sayin'. I don't think that they carry THAT much toilet paper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Covered in Dust 163 Posted April 29, 2011 Toilet paper? I thought that's why we always wear 2 pairs of socks. Covered in Rash Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagstr 287 Posted April 29, 2011 http://www.rei.com/m...1ffe4324ac7.jpg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piratemonkey 0 Posted April 29, 2011 As for the tp, I carry a ziploc bag and pack it out Gross If you think packing tp out is gross, I'm thinking you're not a WAG bag candidate... http://www.mount-whitney.com/hiking_backpacking_mt_whitney/mt_whitney_wag_bags.php Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ADV Bum 205 Posted April 29, 2011 If you think packing tp out is gross, I'm thinking you're not a WAG bag candidate... http://www.mount-whitney.com/hiking_backpacking_mt_whitney/mt_whitney_wag_bags.php I guess I will scratch Mt Whitney off my list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHunter 15 Posted April 29, 2011 Just love the "hiking singles" ad on the same page as the WAG bag info. I guess the Go Girl could be handy for some members. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spyder 2 Posted April 29, 2011 If you think packing tp out is gross, I'm thinking you're not a WAG bag candidate... http://www.mount-whitney.com/hiking_backpacking_mt_whitney/mt_whitney_wag_bags.php So don't dealy Act now Supplies are running out. Free Trial One of the most pathetic areas I've seen is near the sand dam at Superstition. I get that people need to relieve themselves, but I don't get why there had to be clumps of toilet paper all over the place. It was most likley buried until the wind decided to take the sand elsewhere....? Oh and... People are pigs! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Desert Dan 0 Posted April 29, 2011 If you want to be an outdoor waste "master"...here you go Minimizing Impact and Random Acts of Kindness for the Environment: Human Waste Small groups. Small groups should use the cat hole method for human waste disposal: using your heel, a flat rock or small scoop, make a shallow hole in the forest duff. Before doing so, be sure that you are over 200 feet from water sources. Once finished, mix the top organic layer of soil thoroughly with the feces (which greatly aids the decomposition process) and bury. Toilet paper. If you have a fire burning, throw the toilet paper into the fire. Some people recommend burning toilet paper on site, but I emphatically disagree. Burn it on site only during very wet weather or in the winter. Never, never burn toilet paper during dry conditions. A number of large forest fires have started simply by people burning their toilet paper. The best way of dealing with used toilet paper is to unravel it and mix it with the feces and organic soil. Then Bury it. Toilet paper, after all, is a wood product and will eventually decompose. Desert Environments. Very little decomposition takes place in the desert, and what does take place is greatly assisted by the sun. Thus it's important to not bury human waste very deeply. For human waste disposal, find a place out of the way, flatten out the feces with a stick or rock, and bury them under a thin layer of soil. Toilet paper should be burned (but only if very safe) or placed in a plastic bag and carried out. Sea Kayaking. In coastal areas, scoop out a shallow hole in the intertidal zone. Once the water comes up, the ocean will do the rest. Rivers. Because the same campsites are used day after day all summer long, many agencies which manage western rivers require that you take along portable toilets and carry out all of your human waste. Check the regulations before starting your trip. Larger Groups: Latrines. Use a latrine with larger groups (which means you won't be in a wilderness area). A proper latrine should be constructed so it is wider than it is deep: about foot in depth and two feet wide. After each person uses it, the feces should be mixed with organic soil from the very top of the hole. Before you leave, bury everything. Tampons. No matter what style of disposing of human waste, never bury tampons. Always carry them out. Triple bag them and use a broken tea bag or crushed aspirin to cut back odor. If you have a fire, they can be burned, but after burning them, pull out the charred remains, bag it and carry it out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tlking6 0 Posted April 29, 2011 Just love the "hiking singles" ad on the same page as the WAG bag info. Totally appropriate. Knowing my wife, if I start carrying around my poop in a plastic bag, I'm going to need that site sooner, rather than later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirt dame 559 Posted April 29, 2011 if I start carrying around my poop in a plastic bag It's all these articles about becoming a self contained septic tank that made me cancel my subscription to Backpacker magazine and quit backpacking back in the 90s. Some articles claimed that even the poop never disintegrates, which I know is a load of poop in it's self. If this were true, the whole world would literally be up to it's neck in poop by now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tntmo 887 Posted April 29, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjLFKnC1BkM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Covered in Dust 163 Posted April 29, 2011 I really never have this problem. i guess that's why everyone says I'm full of sh*t. Covered in Diapers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTMrad 508 Posted April 29, 2011 Poop in a jar video Where the heck did you find that ?!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tntmo 887 Posted April 29, 2011 Poop in a jar video Where the heck did you find that ?!! You never heard of Hayseed Dixie?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTMrad 508 Posted April 29, 2011 Where the heck did you find that ?!! You never heard of Hayseed Dixie?? Not until now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mctrails 38 Posted April 29, 2011 So, while on this subject think about this for a while. Right now the eco-terrorists (the Sierra Club and all their spin-off whacko groups) are using the off-roaders as the bad examples for closing off ALL our recreation areas because of the supposed "damage" we create while enjoying our favorite areas. Once they have everything locked up from us then they will use the human waste problem for their propaganda to finally close everything that's left open to ALL HUMAN access. Don't think it can happen? Just wait. These people have nothing better to do with their sorry lives than to bitch and gripe about everyone else having fun so it's inevitable. Yep, it is a bunch of crap (pun intended.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
