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[paulmbowers 236]

Hey, arguing about beer is better than politics :clapping:

No it's not, so shut up.

(see disclaimer below)

[hoss314 0]

I had BBQ chicken pizza at Stuft Pizza in San Juan Capistrano...........

+1 on Beer........unfortunately, I am typing this with a Michelob Ultra

[hobiee 28]

Takin in a home brew myself as i type. Damn economy :clapping:

[racerbill 0]

Bunch of Marxist Nazi hijackers, what's wrong with Mexican food. The previous idiot left office with 2 unfinished wars that wasted TRILLIONS of dollars. This President wants my kids to have health care and the reactionary right wants to start a civil war. I'm on the side of intelligent reasoned positions and leave the era of that idiot cowboy behind. It's a relief to have an articulate, intelligent, highly educated President representing our country and it makes me proud to be an American.

[Zenosan 2]

I'm going to In-N-Out Burger for lunch.

Hmmmmmm...... Health problem in the making?

[dirt dame 561]

Bunch of Marxist Nazi hijackers, what's wrong with Mexican food. The previous idiot left office with 2 unfinished wars that wasted TRILLIONS of dollars. This President wants my kids to have health care and the reactionary right wants to start a civil war. I'm on the side of intelligent reasoned positions and leave the era of that idiot cowboy behind. It's a relief to have an articulate, intelligent, highly educated President representing our country and it makes me proud to be an American.

Uh oh, sounds like somebody is waiting for the tooth fairy. :clapping:

And by the way, I thought Bush was a total embarrassment to the office which he was supposed to be serving.

[Jim 0]

Bush attend Yale for undergrad and Harvard for his MBA! Who woulda thunk it?

.... It's a relief to have an articulate, intelligent, highly educated President representing our country.....

[cmayer31 3]

I don't know about all the political mumbo jumbo, but I just hit the bottom of my bottle of whiskey. Oh ya, had La Salsa for lunch and a chicken melt for dinner...not bad, but I hope I have good health insurance for when the fast food catches up to me. :clapping:

[hobiee 28]

I don't know about all the political mumbo jumbo, but I just hit the bottom of my bottle of whiskey. Oh ya, had La Salsa for lunch and a chicken melt for dinner...not bad, but I hope I have good health insurance for when the fast food catches up to me. :clapping:

Craig you need health insurance and good insurance at that ! Every time you pick that pig up you take years off your life, never mind tryin to start it afterwards

[Zenosan 2]

I don't know about all the political mumbo jumbo, but I just hit the bottom of my bottle of whiskey. Oh ya, had La Salsa for lunch and a chicken melt for dinner...not bad, but I hope I have good health insurance for when the fast food catches up to me. :clapping:

Craig you need health insurance and good insurance at that ! Every time you pick that pig up you take years off your life, never mind tryin to start it afterwards

At least he gets exercise-no wussie magic button for Craig! Real men kickstart.

[cmayer31 3]

I don't know about all the political mumbo jumbo, but I just hit the bottom of my bottle of whiskey. Oh ya, had La Salsa for lunch and a chicken melt for dinner...not bad, but I hope I have good health insurance for when the fast food catches up to me. :clapping:

Craig you need health insurance and good insurance at that ! Every time you pick that pig up you take years off your life, never mind tryin to start it afterwards

At least he gets exercise-no wussie magic button for Craig! Real men kickstart.

See, at least Don knows where I'm coming from. First group ride I went on was in Ramona and I saw Don at the Arco station...we both kicked our Hondas to life. Granted, mine took 20 more kicks before I turned the petcock the right direction and I was late to Packards, but that's a different story.

That said, I only drop the bike in snow, ice, rocks, dirt, gravel, grass, weeds, water, sand...ah hell I will need good insurance after all.

Oh, and more on the point of this thread. Had our 401k/paycheck people come in to work today, so I asked him what he thought about healthcare making it through and I'm pretty sure he shed a tear.

[hobiee 28]

I don't know about all the political mumbo jumbo, but I just hit the bottom of my bottle of whiskey. Oh ya, had La Salsa for lunch and a chicken melt for dinner...not bad, but I hope I have good health insurance for when the fast food catches up to me.

Craig you need health insurance and good insurance at that ! Every time you pick that pig up you take years off your life, never mind tryin to start it afterwards

At least he gets exercise-no wussie magic button for Craig! Real men kickstart.

Real men kickstart on the left side of the bike . I have no doubt craig is more of a man than me, i would not even consider that monster he rides unless i just wanted to go straight really fast till i ran out of gas and then i would just leave it there.

[bikeslut 1]

I like the direction this thread is going, so I'll chime in. When I had a kick start only bike, people would actually WAIT for me to start it when leaving a public function... like it was some black art; kids would stop and stare on the sidewalk... and this was only a DR350 (with no de-compression lever)

You realize people used to kick start Harleys, and other big bore cruisers... the electric starter was the beginning of Dentist and Accountant "Gangs"

That being said; Kick starting Wil's bike is a bit of a chore after a dirt nap... kick til compress... decompression, kick past... hot start pulled, and HOPE it starts or else you get to go through the whole process again

Albert's bike actually felt like it had MORE compression and a shorter kick start; very lucky to have a button helping that one... NOW, My WR250 (tiny engine, I know) starts pretty easily for me.

PLus... kick starts keep me off Government Health Care Plans... muscle mass (in one leg anyway) and increased heart rate is good for you

Personally; I like electric start on a Thumper

[ShocknAwe 0]

No one knows how universal healthcare will pan out.

Consider how socialism in healthcare might help the capitalists. Elderly and indigent Americans already have access to universal coverage via Medicare and Medicaid. The rich can afford anything. That leaves the middle class, which is comprised of private sector and public sector employees. The public sector workers have health insurance. Universal coverage might put the private sector middle class on an equal playing field with the government workers. There is a reason why Big Lots, Walmart and other big private employers support universal coverage. The Capitalists should think outside the box and realize this socialism will help them compete against the Communists by cutting one of their biggest expenses (medical insurance).

If there's going to be socialism, I'd rather have my tax dollars insure the health of other Americans than waste it in Afghanistan. If you cut defense spending in half and end the "war," there would be enough money to pay for universal coverage. If America tries to have both forms of socialism/communism, it will drive itself further into the ground. History repeats itself.

[hobiee 28]

No one knows how universal healthcare will pan out.

Consider how socialism in healthcare will help the capitalists.

Elderly and indigent American citizens already have access to universal coverage via Medicare and Medicaid. The rich can afford anything. That leaves the middle class, which is comprised of private sector and public sector employees. The public sector workers have health insurance. Universal coverage might put the private sector middle class on an equal playing field with the government workers. There is a reason why Big Lots and Walmart support universal coverage. The capitalists need to think outside the box a little on this one.

If there's going to be socialism, I'd rather have my taxes pay to help insure the health of other Americans than waste it in Afghanistan. If you cut defense spending in half and end the "war," there would be enough money to pay for universal coverage. If America tries to have both forms of socialism/communism, it will drive itself further into the ground. History repeats itself.

What the hell does that have to do with kickstarts?????? :tease:

[cmayer31 3]

My BRP is actually quite tame when it comes to starting and I have a pretty high average of one kick starts. When I'm riding with a group of cheaters...err people with electric starts, I'll go as far as setting up the bike at each stop so that when we all take off I just kick and go.

The major exception to the one kick start is when I dump it and don't get it back up right away. In that case it's a waiting game or kicking game. I know Hobiee, Beeez, and others have had a fair share of waiting for me to either get the pig going or pass out in doing so. Now if I would stick to the drill and have some patience the wait wouldn't be that bad.

I actually got to show a BRP newbie the magical start drill on the Border Ride a few weeks ago, so I'll share with everyone:

The drill for the first start of the day, or a good drill to run through if the bike won't start after a drop.

Cold bike - Choke use at your discretion if you feel like it or the jetting is slightly off. On mine I don't use choke unless it's really cold outside.

Warm - Hot bike = No choke at all.

Hold decomp

Twist throttle to full on. Yes I know it's not a pumper carb and this should make no difference, but it's a magical drill so go with it.

Give 5 good full kicks.

Let off the decomp

Don't touch the throttle

kick to TDC

Don't touch the throttle

Pull decomp and go a tiny bit past TDC

Don't touch the throttle

Let kick start come back to the top.

Give a smooth kick all the way through. The BRP has a very long kick start, so it's about motion more than brute force.

Don't touch the throttle

Hear the bike roar to life

Don't touch the throttle

Let her get nice and warm

turn off choke

Grab a handfull of throttle and catch up to the E-starters.

:tease:

In all honesty the drill takes a second to run through and it's a really tame bike to kick over and if I would bother to check my float level, I'd say I'd have less trouble after a drop as well.

[Strega 0]

20 Ways ObamaCare Will Take Away Our Freedoms

All the 'single male' stuff grabbed my attention...

I'm not 100% sure on the accuracy of the information posted below, I just found it interesting.

1. You are young and don’t want health insurance? You are starting up a small business and need to minimize expenses, and one way to do that is to forego health insurance? Tough. You have to pay $750 annually for the “privilege.” (Section 1501)

2. You are young and healthy and want to pay for insurance that reflects that status? Tough. You’ll have to pay for premiums that cover not only you, but also the guy who smokes three packs a day, drink a gallon of whiskey and eats chicken fat off the floor. That’s because insurance companies will no longer be able to underwrite on the basis of a person’s health status. (Section 2701).

3. You would like to pay less in premiums by buying insurance with lifetime or annual limits on coverage? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer such policies, even if that is what customers prefer. (Section 2711).

4. Think you’d like a policy that is cheaper because it doesn’t cover preventive care or requires cost-sharing for such care? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer policies that do not cover preventive services or offer them with cost-sharing, even if that’s what the customer wants. (Section 2712).

5. You are an employer and you would like to offer coverage that doesn’t allow your employees’ slacker children to stay on the policy until age 26? Tough. (Section 2714).

6. You must buy a policy that covers ambulatory patient services, emergency services, hospitalization, maternity and newborn care, mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment; prescription drugs; rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices; laboratory services; preventive and wellness services; chronic disease management; and pediatric services, including oral and vision care. You’re a single guy without children? Tough, your policy must cover pediatric services. You’re a woman who can’t have children? Tough, your policy must cover maternity services. You’re a teetotaler? Tough, your policy must cover substance abuse treatment. (Add your own violation of personal freedom here.) (Section 1302).

7. Do you want a plan with lots of cost-sharing and low premiums? Well, the best you can do is a “Bronze plan,” which has benefits that provide benefits that are actuarially equivalent to 60% of the full actuarial value of the benefits provided under the plan. Anything lower than that, tough. (Section 1302 (d) (1) (A))

8. You are an employer in the small-group insurance market and you’d like to offer policies with deductibles higher than $2,000 for individuals and $4,000 for families? Tough. (Section 1302 © (2) (A).

9. If you are a large employer (defined as at least 50 employees) and you do not want to provide health insurance to your employee, then you will pay a $750 fine per employee (It could be $2,000 to $3,000 under the reconciliation changes). Think you know how to better spend that money? Tough. (Section 1513).

10. You are an employer who offers health flexible spending arrangements and your employees want to deduct more than $2,500 from their salaries for it? Sorry, can’t do that. (Section 9005 (i)).

11. If you are a physician and you don’t want the government looking over your shoulder? Tough. The Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to use your claims data to issue you reports that measure the resources you use, provide information on the quality of care you provide, and compare the resources you use to those used by other physicians. Of course, this will all be just for informational purposes. It’s not like the government will ever use it to intervene in your practice and patients’ care. Of course not. (Section 3003 (i))

12. If you are a physician and you want to own your own hospital, you must be an owner and have a “Medicare provider agreement” by Feb. 1, 2010. (Dec. 31, 2010 in the reconciliation changes.) If you didn’t have those by then, you are out of luck. (Section 6001 (i) (1) (A))

13. If you are a physician owner and you want to expand your hospital? Well, you can’t (Section 6001 (i) (1) (:tease:. Unless, it is located in a county where, over the last five years, population growth has been 150% of what it has been in the state (Section 6601 (i) (3) ( E)). And then you cannot increase your capacity by more than 200% (Section 6001 (i) (3) ©).

14. You are a health insurer and you want to raise premiums to meet costs? Well, if that increase is deemed “unreasonable” by the Secretary of Health and Human Services it will be subject to review and can be denied. (Section 1003)

15. The government will extract a fee of $2.3 billion annually from the pharmaceutical industry. If you are a pharmaceutical company what you will pay depends on the ratio of the number of brand-name drugs you sell to the total number of brand-name drugs sold in the U.S. So, if you sell 10% of the brand-name drugs in the U.S., what you pay will be 10% multiplied by $2.3 billion, or $230,000,000. (Under reconciliation, it starts at $2.55 billion, jumps to $3 billion in 2012, then to $3.5 billion in 2017 and $4.2 billion in 2018, before settling at $2.8 billion in 2019 (Section 1404)). Think you, as a pharmaceutical executive, know how to better use that money, say for research and development? Tough. (Section 9008 ().

16. The government will extract a fee of $2 billion annually from medical device makers. If you are a medical device maker what you will pay depends on your share of medical device sales in the U.S. So, if you sell 10% of the medical devices in the U.S., what you pay will be 10% multiplied by $2 billion, or $200,000,000. Think you, as a medical device maker, know how to better use that money, say for R&D? Tough. (Section 9009 ().

The reconciliation package turns that into a 2.9% excise tax for medical device makers. Think you, as a medical device maker, know how to better use that money, say for research and development? Tough. (Section 1405).

17. The government will extract a fee of $6.7 billion annually from insurance companies. If you are an insurer, what you will pay depends on your share of net premiums plus 200% of your administrative costs. So, if your net premiums and administrative costs are equal to 10% of the total, you will pay 10% of $6.7 billion, or $670,000,000. In the reconciliation bill, the fee will start at $8 billion in 2014, $11.3 billion in 2015, $1.9 billion in 2017, and $14.3 billion in 2018 (Section 1406).Think you, as an insurance executive, know how to better spend that money? Tough.(Section 9010 ( (1) (A and .)

18. If an insurance company board or its stockholders think the CEO is worth more than $500,000 in deferred compensation? Tough.(Section 9014).

19. You will have to pay an additional 0.5% payroll tax on any dollar you make over $250,000 if you file a joint return and $200,000 if you file an individual return. What? You think you know how to spend the money you earned better than the government? Tough. (Section 9015).

That amount will rise to a 3.8% tax if reconciliation passes. It will also apply to investment income, estates, and trusts. You think you know how to spend the money you earned better than the government? Like you need to ask. (Section 1402).

20. If you go for cosmetic surgery, you will pay an additional 5% tax on the cost of the procedure. Think you know how to spend that money you earned better than the government? Tough. (Section 9017).

[Crawdaddy 96]

The drill for the first start of the day

I turn the key, wait about 3 seconds for the girl bike to run through it's diagnostic check on fuel injection, etc., then I push the magic button.....so far, my right thumb hasn't become too fatigued..... :tease:

[dirt dame 561]

It's warming up pretty nicely and the local lakes are warming up, too. Think I'll be doing a little bass fishing now. East Highline has some Smallies in it and giant Bluegill. It'd be a good last desert trip before it heats up. Also I have a free pass to Cuyamaca, so I'll probably go up there for some Rainbows and scout the secret bass spot for when the water temp get high enough for spawn. Yup, yup, yup. :tease:

Say....do you think that the rain will hurt the rhubarb?

[Crawdaddy 96]

Since Strega is pasting in big blocks from the right.......

Let's start with how health insurance reform will expand and strengthen coverage:

•This year, children with pre-existing conditions can no longer be denied health insurance coverage. Once the new health insurance exchanges begin in the coming years, pre-existing condition discrimination will become a thing of the past for everyone . .

•This year, health care plans will allow young people to remain on their parents' insurance policy up until their 26th birthday. :tease: (get a job or go to school)

•This year, insurance companies will be banned from dropping people from coverage when they get sick, and they will be banned from implementing lifetime caps on coverage. This year, restrictive annual limits on coverage will be banned for certain plans. Under health insurance reform, Americans will be ensured access to the care they need .

•This year, adults who are uninsured because of pre-existing conditions will have access to affordable insurance through a temporary subsidized high-risk pool.

•In the next fiscal year, the bill increases funding for community health centers, so they can treat nearly double the number of patients over the next five years.

•This year, we'll also establish an independent commission to advise on how best to build the health care workforce and increase the number of nurses, doctors and other professionals to meet our country's needs. Going forward, we will provide $1.5 billion in funding to support the next generation of doctors, nurses and other primary care practitioners -- on top of a $500 million investment from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.

Health insurance reform will also curb some of the worst insurance industry practices and strengthen consumer protections:

•This year, this bill creates a new, independent appeals process that ensures consumers in new private plans have access to an effective process to appeal decisions made by their insurer.

•This year, discrimination based on salary will be outlawed. New group health plans will be prohibited from establishing any eligibility rules for health care coverage that discriminate in favor of higher-wage employees.

•Beginning this fiscal year, this bill provides funding to states to help establish offices of health insurance consumer assistance in order to help individuals in the process of filing complaints or appeals against insurance companies.

•Starting January 1, 2011, insurers in the individual and small group market will be required to spend 80 percent of their premium dollars on medical services. Insurers in the large group market will be required to spend 85 percent of their premium dollars on medical services. Any insurers who don't meet those thresholds will be required to provide rebates to their policyholders.

•Starting in 2011, this bill helps states require insurance companies to submit justification for requested premium increases. Any company with excessive or unjustified premium increases may not be able to participate in the new health insurance exchanges.

Reform immediately begins to lower health care costs for American families and small businesses:

•This year, small businesses that choose to offer coverage will begin to receive tax credits of up to 35 percent of premiums to help make employee coverage more affordable.

•This year, new private plans will be required to provide free preventive care: no co-payments and no deductibles for preventive services. And beginning January 1, 2011, Medicare will do the same.

•This year, this bill will provide help for early retirees by creating a temporary re-insurance program to help offset the costs of expensive premiums for employers and retirees age 55-64.

•This year, this bill starts to close the Medicare Part D 'donut hole' by providing a $250 rebate to Medicare beneficiaries who hit the gap in prescription drug coverage. And beginning in 2011, the bill institutes a 50% discount on prescription drugs in the 'donut hole.'

Thank you,

Nancy-Ann DeParle

Director, White House Office of Health Reform

[cmayer31 3]

The drill for the first start of the day

I turn the key, wait about 3 seconds for the girl bike to run through it's diagnostic check on fuel injection, etc., then I push the magic button.....so far, my right thumb hasn't become too fatigued..... :tease:

I know, I get to listen to the sweet priming of the fuel pump and sweeping tachometer diagnostic check routine with the street bike. I'd never buy a non-electric start bike as a daily rider, but kicking the BRP in the desert just feels right.

One day I'll have an e-start small bore 4-stroke for technical riding and as a second bike for new riders.

It's warming up pretty nicely and the local lakes are warming up, too. Think I'll be doing a little bass fishing now. East Highline has some Smallies in it and giant Bluegill. It'd be a good last desert trip before it heats up. Also I have a free pass to Cuyamaca, so I'll probably go up there for some Rainbows and scout the secret bass spot for when the water temp get high enough for spawn. Yup, yup, yup.

Is Cuyamaca the only place to get Rainbows in and around San Diego? I've heard of mythical streams on Palomar, but not sure if you can actually target them there.

[Jim 0]

Quotes like this are going to come back and haunt us girl-bike riders when our battery dies and us out-of-shape fatsos have to push start the girl bike in the sand since we dont' have a kick start lever.

While I love having the magic button, I'm really not going to like having to take a load of ---- from everyone when/if the battery ever konks out.

The drill for the first start of the day

I turn the key, wait about 3 seconds for the girl bike to run through it's diagnostic check on fuel injection, etc., then I push the magic button.....so far, my right thumb hasn't become too fatigued..... :tease:

[Jim 0]

I'm really starting to wonder whose the husband and whose the wife in the Crawdaddy/Strega relationship. From the way the argue, you'd think they were married.

Since Strega is pasting in big blocks from the right.......

[Strega 0]

I'm really starting to wonder whose the husband and whose the wife in the Crawdaddy/Strega relationship.

Well you can see from his riding that he never wears the pants....soooooo.....

[hobiee 28]

I'm really starting to wonder whose the husband and whose the wife in the Crawdaddy/Strega relationship.

Well you can see from his riding that he never wears the pants....soooooo.....

:tease: B)