motorcyclemattDR650 0 Posted April 30, 2012 Im posting this question for my dad who has a 2008 650l, his bike starts fine sometimes then other times it wont start at all. Today he rode up the street from his house to mine and his engine was on FIRE and he didnt even have it running for 5min so do you guys have any suggestions? his valves are spot on, spark plugs good. He's gonna take it to motoworld tomorrow cuz its still under warranty just dont know how they are going to react with the smog stuff takin off any help would be great full Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Goofy Footer 539 Posted April 30, 2012 Im posting this question for my dad who has a 2008 650l, his bike starts fine sometimes then other times it wont start at all. Today he rode up the street from his house to mine and his engine was on FIRE and he didnt even have it running for 5min so do you guys have any suggestions? his valves are spot on, spark plugs good. He's gonna take it to motoworld tomorrow cuz its still under warranty just dont know how they are going to react with the smog stuff takin off any help would be great full Aren't 650Ls notorious for CDI problems? I've talked with 650L owners who literally carry an extra one with them when they go riding. I don't believe the bike has changed in the last few years. Maybe somebody here who has one can swap theirs into yours to see it runs. I don't know why it would be acting up now since its only a 2008 but a CDI would be my guess. I'm no expert. Hopefully some other 650L owners will post up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bikeslut 1 Posted April 30, 2012 What does "on fire" mean? Engine running hot? XR650Ls are notorious for CDI issues, but not sure a hot engine is a symptom; most examples I have hear cut out as the bike heats up, then don't start for a while Engine running hot- do a search- does the idle seem normal? Vacuum leak on intake? Did he remove the charcoal canister and properly plug the tubes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CalNub 0 Posted April 30, 2012 Found some threads at other forums where 650L owners were reporting the same problem. Seems like a lot of possible causes: http://www.thumpertalk.com/topic/931702-strange-intermittent-starting-issue/#post10896659 http://www.thumpertalk.com/topic/934078-honda-x650l-starting-problem/#post10923454 http://www.thumpertalk.com/topic/759066-05-intermittent-starting-problem/#post8933895 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crusty Posted April 30, 2012 Hot =lean. I got dust in the starter button once, easy fix. I had a spark plug cap short out, so I carry a spare. 3.50 NGK part. PM XRBum he helped the person with the CDI problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
motorcyclemattDR650 0 Posted April 30, 2012 sorry by on fire I meant the engine was really hot, like hotter than mine after I have been riding all day. We checked all the things you guys suggested and everything's looks good so were pretty sure its the cdi. Another thing he said when he started it friday to go to work it started fine and when he left he got halfway down the street and it just died and wouldnt start for half the day is that a cdi issue? and do u think motoworld will hassle him about removing the smog stuff? ps thank all you for the help Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bikeslut 1 Posted April 30, 2012 Technically, they could say by modifying the bike the warranty is voided...but the modification he made should not in any way impact the performance of the CDI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenosan 2 Posted April 30, 2012 As mentioned above altering the smog equipment can create a too lean condition. This can cause the engine to run way too hot if the jetting is not appropriately redone. Not sure about this model but he CDI is usually directly over the engine under the fuel tank. Extreme heat can cause insulation on wiring in the CDI and other electronic components to melt (pick up coils in the alternator etc..) I have seen these components melted but usually under extreme high heat conditions such as desert racing. Overheating is usually the cause of CDI failure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ADV Bum 205 Posted April 30, 2012 The CDI is located back in the battery box. Just plug and play. I would also rejet. Warranty is going to be most likely voided, just because they can. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PastaPilot 17 Posted April 30, 2012 There is no reason he needs to take it to the dealership it was purchased from. If Motoworld says no. Leave and go to South Bay, FBC, a Honda authorized service center, etc. until he gets a yes answer. If he's going to go to Motoworld, take the issue directly to the salesman he purchased the bike from and have the salesman work it into the Service department. The Sales department lives on repeat business, they need him to be completely satisfied so that he'll continue to bring in his business. The Service department is likely stacked with work and won't care if one bike or owner thinks twice about coming back. my 1/50 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bikeslut 1 Posted May 1, 2012 After the dealer does (or doesn't) the work, search for "daves mods" for the XRL New jet, drill the slide, and raise the needle...assuming the charcoal vent line was plugged properly that should cure the heat problem Emissions standards have manufacturers jetting lean to pass emissions. IF the canister removal put more more air in the carb without adding gas (bigger jet) it will run hotter As Done said; CDIs don't like heat, and aircooled bikes generate a lot of it...another popular mod for XRLs is to add an oil-cooler similar to a Suzuki DR350 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strega 0 Posted May 1, 2012 If only there was an XRL website with all the info in one place rather than tidbits all over the internet =\ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bikeslut 1 Posted May 1, 2012 Like www.xrsonly.com. ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
motorcyclemattDR650 0 Posted May 1, 2012 thanks guys he dropped it off today and they said it could possibly be a carb problem due to the fmf pipe and removed smog stuff, which dosent make sense because he did that stuff two years ago and it ran fine till just a couple weeks ago. I'll let you guys know what happens when he gets it back they said they'll have to keep it a couple days to see when it acts up and sense it starts fine sometimes and then sometimes not at all my dads not very happy. I told them that some of you guys thought it could be a possible cdi they said "there was no way to see if it faulting its either good or bad" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenosan 2 Posted May 1, 2012 After the dealer does (or doesn't) the work, search for "daves mods" for the XRL New jet, drill the slide, and raise the needle...assuming the charcoal vent line was plugged properly that should cure the heat problem Emissions standards have manufacturers jetting lean to pass emissions. IF the canister removal put more more air in the carb without adding gas (bigger jet) it will run hotter As Done said; CDIs don't like heat, and aircooled bikes generate a lot of it...another popular mod for XRLs is to add an oil-cooler similar to a Suzuki DR350 Hey Bob You are right about the air cooled engines creating a lot of heat especially under Bikeslut riding conditions. My Friend Gawin the Honda dealer in Page rides an XR 400 and added the oil cooler you suggested. I know you rode an XR650L in the past and was wondering where the CDI was located on your bike. Bum says his is in the battery box but all my Hondas were directly above the engine exposing them to high heat. But I don't ride like Bikeslut so I have never had one fail. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ADV Bum 205 Posted May 1, 2012 Bum says his is in the battery box but all my Hondas were directly above the engine exposing them to high heat. They learned from their mistakes. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=xr650l%20battery%20box%20schematic&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CIABEBYwBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.powersportsplus.com%2Fparts%2Fsearch%2FHonda%2Fmotorcycle%2F1994%2FXR650L%2BAC%2FBATTERY%2Fparts.html&ei=nUifT6rxNYb42gWTxtjhAg&usg=AFQjCNFF524dnWTrmZ-casLKG09GiN5XFA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crusty Posted May 1, 2012 After the dealer does (or doesn't) the work, search for "daves mods" for the XRL New jet, drill the slide, and raise the needle...assuming the charcoal vent line was plugged properly that should cure the heat problem Emissions standards have manufacturers jetting lean to pass emissions. IF the canister removal put more more air in the carb without adding gas (bigger jet) it will run hotter As Done said; CDIs don't like heat, and aircooled bikes generate a lot of it...another popular mod for XRLs is to add an oil-cooler similar to a Suzuki DR350 Hey Bob My Friend Gawin the Honda dealer in Page rides an XR 400 and added the oil cooler you suggested. The XR 400 comes with an oil cooler. http://www.powersportsplus.com/parts/search/Honda/Motorcycle/1997/XR400R+A/OIL+COOLER/parts.html I went with XRs Only Big Fin Head,on my XR 680L." expensive and worth every penny." My bike would run hot riding 2 up in the sand. The bike runs COOL and is plenty fast. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bikeslut 1 Posted May 1, 2012 Crusty is correct- the XR400 comes with one...the 650L does not, but many people add the XR400 oil cooler to the 650...buy the cooler, add some tubing, and install everything: you add some oil capacity and allow time for the oil to be out in the wind rather than being circulating in the engine As for "my" CDI location...XR650noob can answer that question better than I can...it crapped out on hin Most of the bikes I can remember had them under the seat, right behind the tank...but if bum says his is in the battery box, I believe him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenosan 2 Posted May 1, 2012 Nice Bike Craig. My buddy Gawin added e-start to his. He said the parts from a Honda quad using the same engine bolted right on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crusty Posted May 1, 2012 Nice Bike Craig. My buddy Gawin added e-start to his. He said the parts from a Honda quad using the same engine bolted right on. Thank's E-start is a good mod. Craig Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CalNub 0 Posted May 1, 2012 Nice Bike Craig. My buddy Gawin added e-start to his. He said the parts from a Honda quad using the same engine bolted right on. Man, wish I could do that with my old lc4. Left-side kick adds another level of difficulty and irritation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xr650lnoob 0 Posted May 2, 2012 I had 2 cdi's go bad on 2 different xr650l's. The bike would abruptly cut out. Your cdi is located in the battery compartment. See image (the small black box that is hanging out). When i was trying to find a replacement, I searched for keywords "XR650L cdi" and could never find a place to buy it unless i called a dealer. However, search for "Cheap XR650L Ignition Module" and you should find one for less than dealer. http://www.cheapcycleparts.com/products/331370-honda-30410-mn9-000-hard-parts-module-ignition-control-cdi The replacement OEM cdi from the above shop has so far been good. Before buying one, feel free to borrow mine to see if that is the issue. Although based on my experience, it is wise to carry an extra. Here is the link if you want to try and repair it yourself. http://www.thumpertalk.com/topic/881740-xrl650lnx250650transalp-cdi-repair/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
motorcyclemattDR650 0 Posted May 2, 2012 thanks 650lnoob if he gets it back from motoworld and they say they couldnt find anything wrong I will definitely pm you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites