tntmo 927 Posted May 31, 2019 The politically correct term is "alternative lifestyle pliers" 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PbdBlue 46 Posted May 31, 2019 PMB Though I know it wasn't necessarily by choice thanks for being the guinea pig here. Lot's of good info gleaned from this exercize. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulmbowers 236 Posted May 31, 2019 1 hour ago, PbdBlue said: PMB Though I know it wasn't necessarily by choice thanks for being the guinea pig here. Lot's of good info gleaned from this exercize. Sure, happy to help. I got the Kemso pump yesterday, and a quick glance shows similar issues- the white flange-thing (Kemso's is orange) is not going to work- structurally identical to the HPF. The have a screen that I'll test later on the stock white flange-thing to see if it is a possible replacement. Kemso's kit is very similar to the HPF- lots of alternative applications, filters for other uses, wires to adapt, etc. It's likely I'll use the Kemso and some of my cannibalized stock parts to create spare pump that's easy(er) to field swap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PbdBlue 46 Posted May 31, 2019 1 minute ago, paulmbowers said: Sure, happy to help. I got the Kemso pump yesterday, and a quick glance shows similar issues- the white flange-thing (Kemso's is orange) is not going to work- structurally identical to the HPF. The have a screen that I'll test later on the stock white flange-thing to see if it is a possible replacement. Kemso's kit is very similar to the HPF- lots of alternative applications, filters for other uses, wires to adapt, etc. It's likely I'll use the Kemso and some of my cannibalized stock parts to create spare pump that's easy(er) to field swap. Does your Kemso have the long barbed port or the short smooth one? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulmbowers 236 Posted May 31, 2019 Here's another option- it's a KenRO and eliminates the confusing, extra, unnecessary components. And costs $150. Amazing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulmbowers 236 Posted May 31, 2019 2 hours ago, PbdBlue said: Does your Kemso have the long barbed port or the short smooth one? I think this is short and smooth- but I'm not an expert on such things ; ) Clearly the Kemso and the Kenro (above) are the same thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PbdBlue 46 Posted May 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, paulmbowers said: I think this is short and smooth- but I'm not an expert on such things ; ) Clearly the Kemso and the Kenro (above) are the same thing. Yep just like mine. I think HPF used to be like this but changed probably because the hose may come off? That said if it saves me from dropping out of a 5 day trip it's worth $28. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagstr 294 Posted May 31, 2019 Marshall's Hardware I wish you guys would stop shopping there; the stock is becoming depleted. 5/16" Quick Disconnect, got last one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PbdBlue 46 Posted May 31, 2019 15 minutes ago, Bagstr said: Marshall's Hardware I wish you guys would stop shopping there; the stock is becoming depleted. 5/16" Quick Disconnect, got last one. It's the candy store for big boys! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PbdBlue 46 Posted May 31, 2019 My new emergency fuel system repair kit. Fuel pump, Mahle filter, hose, assorted clamps, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulmbowers 236 Posted May 31, 2019 1 hour ago, PbdBlue said: My new emergency fuel system repair kit. Fuel pump, Mahle filter, hose, assorted clamps, etc. Vacuum packed for freshness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulmbowers 236 Posted May 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Bagstr said: I wish you guys would stop shopping there They'd have to close. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PbdBlue 46 Posted May 31, 2019 47 minutes ago, paulmbowers said: They'd have to close. When I was working my boss hated the place. Lot’s of expense reports from there:) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PbdBlue 46 Posted May 31, 2019 51 minutes ago, paulmbowers said: Vacuum packed for freshness. Don’t want it to get stale. Actually just sealed but not vacuum. Keeps the dirt out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagstr 294 Posted June 1, 2019 After the Leaks Stopped, an accurate pressure is 52lbs or so. Original pump @ 300 hours. In tank filter changed at 210 hrs By the way, those quick disconnects are labeled as 1/4 x 5/16 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulmbowers 236 Posted June 1, 2019 16 minutes ago, Bagstr said: After the Leaks Stopped, an accurate pressure is 52lbs or so. Original pump @ 300 hours. In tank filter changed at 210 hrs By the way, those quick disconnects are labeled as 1/4 x 5/16 Your hose configuration is better than mine. Damn. I've got work to do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PbdBlue 46 Posted June 1, 2019 3 hours ago, Bagstr said: After the Leaks Stopped, an accurate pressure is 52lbs or so. Original pump @ 300 hours. In tank filter changed at 210 hrs By the way, those quick disconnects are labeled as 1/4 x 5/16 Nicely done. Which fitting did you buy the last of? The coupling or the plug? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagstr 294 Posted June 1, 2019 Plug for certain; coupling maybe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulmbowers 236 Posted June 1, 2019 Here's some more lessons- the Kemso using the HPF regulator, also checked in at 41 lbs. I didn't check that pump with the stock regulator because I'm lazy, no good, and will never amount to anything. My parents were ultimately correct. 🤷♂️ I've ordered a complete OEM, made in China KTM replacement system from the eBay link above. If I were a motocrosser type, riding tracks very close to the truck, I might consider using an aftermarket cobbled-together fuel system. I'm sending back the HPF system, and will carry the Kemso pump with scavenged OEM flange and strainer as a backup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulmbowers 236 Posted June 1, 2019 And. The screws that hold the rear flange of the system in the tank are called EJOT and are designed for thread-cutting in thermoplastics. Repeated screwing and unscrewing as if one were testing aftermarket fuel components is not recommended- the holes will eventually enlarge and be less able to hold the screws. Good news is the rear flange seal takes very little pressure to be effective- but it's a bit unsettling to barely tighten those screws. There's a fix- a couple of them in fact. One fix is #12x1" stainless wood screws from Home Despot, which probably works, but offends my delicate sensibilities. Then people stick ZipTies in the holes before inserting the screws. Other folks burn/melt the ZipTies into the holes first, or burn similar plastic material and drip it in. Others use epoxy glue and spray WD40 on the screws before assembly. There's a a more graceful solution. KTM HH COLLAR SCREW M5X16 0014050163 is the stock screw. KTM has a longer screw SPECIAL SCREW K60X30 0017060305 that will work perfectly and I'll use after I receive the new system. Yes, I've measured the boss(es) on the tank to be sure it's not too long. Not exactly sure of their intended application. Full KTM retail price is $1.07, and of course GP Cycles sells them for $1.99. More threads, more hold. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagstr 294 Posted June 1, 2019 But,, but, your EJOT screws are off course approved for Acerbis and Clark fuel tanks. Not to press a point, these Quick Disconnect O-Ring couplers are " Not approved for fuel injections systems. " Motion Pro website. Man, That just makes me want to stay at home and not risk the wilderness. What is an Adventurer to do? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PbdBlue 46 Posted June 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Bagstr said: But,, but, your EJOT screws are off course approved for Acerbis and Clark fuel tanks. Not to press a point, these Quick Disconnect O-Ring couplers are " Not approved for fuel injections systems. " Motion Pro website. Man, That just makes me want to stay at home and not risk the wilderness. What is an Adventurer to do? Well one issue is that the standard CPC disconnects have Buna oring’s which are not very good when it comes to gasoline compatibility. Fine for limited use in a test fixture but not what you want to run full time. The Ktm version has Viton oring’s. I ordered some 2-011 viton oring’s to use as spares for the Ktm fitting and to replace the oring on my test fixture. The oring for the plug is easily swapped out. I’m not sure the internal shutoff oring in the coupling can be replaced. Need to look into that. I’m not sure the quantity I ordered as the website was a little confusing. I’ll either get 5 or 50! If it’s the latter I’ll have plenty to pass around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PbdBlue 46 Posted June 1, 2019 55 minutes ago, paulmbowers said: Here's some more lessons- the Kemso using the HPF regulator, also checked in at 41 lbs. I didn't check that pump with the stock regulator because I'm lazy, no good, and will never amount to anything. My parents were ultimately correct. 🤷♂️ I've ordered a complete OEM, made in China KTM replacement system from the eBay link above. If I were a motocrosser type, riding tracks very close to the truck, I might consider using an aftermarket cobbled-together fuel system. I'm sending back the HPF system, and will carry the Kemso pump with scavenged OEM flange and strainer as a backup. The regulator is available in 3 and 3.5 bar calibrations. I wonder if they sent you a 3 bar? 3 bar = 43.5 psi 3.5 bar = 50.8 psi 43.5 is pretty close to 41 taking into account your inaccurate 3” gauge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulmbowers 236 Posted June 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, PbdBlue said: The regulator is available in 3 and 3.5 bar calibrations. I wonder if they sent you a 3 bar? 3 bar = 43.5 psi 3.5 bar = 50.8 psi 43.5 is pretty close to 41 taking into account your inaccurate 3” gauge. Yes. The regulator was marked 300kpa, which is 43.5. That’s another odd choice by HPF- why 43 when factory is 51? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
