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One of the best organized and most fun dual sport rides on the AMA calendar. 7000 feet elevation, cool temps, just awesome trails. https://coconinotrailriders.org/events/2022-dual-sport/
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George is great. There is also another guy in North County. Rudy at Pro-Prept. Very good! It's been a few years, so call ahead. He had a pretty bad crash a few years ago, so, not sure if he is still in business. (760) 489-5774
Brad Spaugh is another great guy in North County. Again it's been a few years, so check with him first. http://shockbleeder.com/home
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I think a lot of the technical parts of this discussion will scare people away from going with bike to bike radios. If you and your buddy want to communicate while riding, just go get a couple of the Rugged Radio or PCI setups, use the channels they pre-programmed, and go ride. It's fun.
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1 minute ago, IanT said:Thanks @paulmbowers That is definitely a licensed frequency, which is a blocker for some, as well as the higher cost of radios. Is there any reason that the more obtainable GMRS isn’t considered as an option? There are some good, inexpensive radios with 5 mile range and the ability to use repeaters.
Please note: This is just a question out of curiosity and definitely not a criticism as I am really not very knowledgeable in this area.
GMRS is UHF maybe the range isn't as good as VHF?
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36 minutes ago, paulmbowers said:Which they are not. Here's (attached) the boring legal action brought by the FCC, and the basis on RR's switch to other radios on different frequencies.
My list was from 2018. Guys are still using them. No arrests so far. 🤞
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I hope this helps and doesn't confuse the subject. Some of the guys I've ridden with here in AZ are just using the Rugged Radios that com pre-programmed with channels and frequencies that they (Rugged) say are legal. So, I've programmed my radio to have those available. For the most part the pre-programmed Rugged Channels work just fine. And, to use them there is no programming needed. And supposedly no license either. It's all there ready to use. EZ Peezy. If you are in a very busy area like Ocotillo Wells or Glamis there may be a lot of other folks using the pre-programmed channels, and it may get a little busy on a big weekend.
Here are the Rugged Radio pre-programmed channels/frequencies:
PCI has their own set of channels too. Of course, they don't match the Rugged chans. Let me know if you are interested in seeing those.
Most of the guys here use Checkers1 - 151.925Mhz
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This should work. Not real pretty, but at least it's sumthin. Please let me know if it works.
Bike to Bike Radio Equipment Starter Kit
You need: 1.Radio, 2.Push to Talk, 3.Helmet Kit, 4.Harness, and 5.Jumper
Or just this: 1.Radio and 6.Complete Kit
1. Radio (buy one):
Open Box Radio $19 (Baofeng UV-5R):
https://www.baofengradio.com/collections/analog/products/open-box-uv-5r
Or this one $19 (Baofeng GT-5R):
https://www.baofengradio.com/collections/analog/products/open-box-gt-5r-4w-1w-dual-band-rad
io
New Sealed Box $29: https://www.baofengradio.com/collections/analog/products/gt-5r
https://www.baofengradio.com/collections/analog/products/uv-5r
These radios are pretty much the same. The UV-5R is an older model and is capable of
transmitting on frequencies that are not legal (police, aircraft, etc.) The GT-5R has been fixed so
it cannot transmit on those frequencies. I can program UV-5R radios, I have not tried
programming GT-5R. These are available all over the internet. I buy from Baofeng Radio. They
are probably not counterfeit. Others may be. They are easy to program using CHIRP.
http://www.miklor.com/COM/UV_CHIRP.php#Getting Started I can help with that.
2. Push To Talk Button (buy one):
Nice unit ($$$):
https://www.pciraceradios.com/collections/motorcycle-quad/products/motorcycle-ptt-bolt-on-race
https://www.sampsonracing.com/Motorcycle-Bar-Mount-Push-To-Talk-Water-Proof-p/ptt-mc-pm.
htm
https://www.ruggedradios.com/collections/moto-replacement-parts/products/motorcycle-race-pu
sh-to-talk-with-nexus-jack
Cheaper ($$):
https://www.sampsonracing.com/Off-Road-Motorcycle-Velcro-Mount-PTT-p/p0526.htm
https://www.ruggedradios.com/collections/moto-replacement-parts/products/motorcycle-velcro-
mount-push-to-talk-with-female-offroad-nexus-port
I think it is better to buy the higher end PTT. This is an important part of the system and a good
one makes all the difference. But if you are on a budget, the cheaper ones will work.
3. Helmet Kit (buy one):
https://www.pciraceradios.com/collections/motorcycle-quad/products/motorcycle-helmet-wiring-k
it
https://www.ruggedradios.com/collections/moto-replacement-parts/products/alpha-audio-offroad
-helmet-kit-with-speakers-mic-earbud-jack
https://www.sampsonracing.com/Off-Road-Moto-Helmet-Kit-w-Speakers-p/src-hk-off-spk.htm
These are similar. Some have an extra jack that you can tie into your phone or whatever to
listen to music.
4. Harness (buy one):https://www.pciraceradios.com/collections/motorcycle-quad/products/motorcycle-harness
https://www.ruggedradios.com/collections/moto-replacement-parts/products/motorcycle-offroad-
communication-cable-harness
https://www.sampsonracing.com/Rugged-Off-Road-Communication-Body-Harness-p/p0456.htm
These are similar, but…I have found that when mixing and matching different brands of
equipment PCI and Rugged Radio (for example), the plugs don’t fit as well as if they are all
matching parts from one source
5. Jumper (buy one):
https://www.pciraceradios.com/collections/radio-interface-cables/products/radio-adapter-short-c
ord?variant=7920323909
https://www.ruggedradios.com/collections/moto-replacement-parts/products/connect-to-handhel
d-radio
6. OR…..You can just buy the kit! These kits are EZ, They come with all the stuff listed
above, but they come with the lower end PTT, You can upgrade to the perch mount PTT
for $12:
https://www.pciraceradios.com/collections/motorcycle-quad/products/motorcycle-kit-kenwood2
I recommend PCI Race Radio for any and all of the above.
Extra: Some guys really like these helmet mounting brackets. I have some good hot melt glue
that works great. Some can’t get some glue to stick to the helmet so they use the mount:
https://www.ruggedradios.com/products/quick-install-helmet-kit-microphone-mount?variant=316
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Been awhile since I've visited. I put this together for the guys here in AZ, very few use radios. Hope it helps. Please let me know if corrections are needed. Merry Christmas!
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I was at the planning meeting for this ride last night. I didn't realize the amount of work that goes into an event like this. It is incredible. Coconino Trail Riders have a super good relationship with the forest service, but it is still a lot of work. It's part of the AMA sanctioned Beta Dual sport series. If you enter you are automatically entered in a sweepstakes to win a new Beta. There will be a pretty cool big bike route with road book routing for the big adventure bike riders all the way to very tight technical single track, and everything in-between. I'll be riding sweep for either the B or C loop on Sunday. The weather up in Flagstaff is really nice this time of year. Highs about 75-80, Lows about 60. We've had a bunch of rain, so the dirt is perfect. Hope some of you guys can make it out.
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I replied to this a few days ago. Looks like it vanished? Anyways, Long story, short...Racers Machine in Escondido can do most any machine shop work you may need done.
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The Coconino Trail Riders in Flagstaff AZ are doing the dual sport ride again after a couple of years off. Really nice riding up there. I'll be there helping out. I hope to see some of my SDAR buds come out and ride in the trees.
https://coconinotrailriders.org/
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I've been in AZ about 2 1/2 years now. I've joined a few clubs here. Arizona Trail Riders, Prescott Trail Riders, and Coconino Trail Riders. There are a few things in common with these clubs that I didn't see in SDAR. They are all successful clubs with a president, secretary, treasurer, etc. Sometimes one person takes on more than one of those roles. Another thing they have is annual membership dues. Usually about $25 per year. Maybe a mandatory dues requirement to have access to the site would help? Monthly meetings with a donation jar? Just brainstorming. If you would want to talk to any of the officials in either ATR or CTR for some help, let me know. I'll do what I can to get you in touch. I'm pretty sure they would be happy to help with ideas. I'm not to active with PTR so not sure about contacts there. I just sent in $25 and I hope you can keep it going. Good luck Mimi.
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I donated too. But I won't post up here that i did, because I'm really humble.
Thanks to those that keep it going!
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Thanks Jon, That is a very cool tool. Also like "Drive Mode Dashboard" app, looks like it would pretty helpful. I hadn't heard about any of these.
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Any of the gps apps for android will do it. Gaia, Osmond, etc. I think most have a free version. Just turn on track recording at the start of your ride.
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If it is closed, it's ok to go thru. Just be sure to close it again. If the gate is open leave it open. Some forest land is used for grazing and the gates manage that.
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17 hours ago, Bub_Hannah said:I wasn't trying to be funny. From what i have seen, generally, when there is a locked gate on forest service land, the land behind it is private. The forest service may have easement rights to fight fires etc. But the land owner doesn't want the general public on that road. They're are exceptions. Lots of private land here in AZ where access is permitted, as long as you don't scare the cows and close the gate. If you ride it and don't see any signs your probably fine. It's hard for private land owners to completely block the entire portion of road that runs thru thier land, so they will gate one end of it.
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At the gate
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If you couldn't hear the other guys it could likely be the squelch settings. The squelch settings on the cheap China radios are not very "linear". They are kinda funky. Someone told me they are like a Suzuki RM400 - either ON or OFF. There is a way to tweak the squelch, and make it useable, but I have never tried it. I've just left it at factory settings and it works ok.
The other thing to look at is the antenna. Maybe try it with stock antenna and aftermarket and see if it works differently. There are some fake Nagoya antennas out there.
Here is a screen shot of how I programmed my radio to work with the commonly used Rugged programmed channels, and SDAR Freq.
This one is for the BF-A58 but should be the same for the UV-5R
Let me know how it goes.
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Just read in AMA magazine the proposal to add tariffs on bikes from Europe has been dropped. Obviously because of us.
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7 hours ago, robertaccio said:wow brilliant thank you all for the inputs. The storing of tracks is utmost important! Yes the preset tracks are for sure needed. Its odd about that because the seaborne units do have preset course loading available...however; I was the one that loaded them, so really they were not handed to me from anyone like when we do a preset plan ride. I will look at the Montana series units, and as I am in research mode I spotted some of my friends are using the Montana series up in Utah right now.
Don't count out the heavy duty phone (Duraforce) as a gps unit. It is a much cheaper solution and some guys swear by it. There are a couple of big threads on this forum in this topic (GPS Stuff) all about the hardware, software, and about using them. I prefer the very rugged Garmin 610 and it's companion software Base Camp, but I do like the much larger offerings of maps from the phone based apps. Particularly GAIA. The phone just isn't designed like the purpose built Garmin unit, but is nice to have in the back pocket...for me.
Mountain Madness Dual Sport Ride
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If you're coming to the Mountain Madness Dual Sport in September, the registration link is live!
https://form.jotform.com/amatech/coconino-tr-mountain-madness-nation