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I’m,…… can you spell K…T…. Um, what was that last letter again? just kidding. not really. actually? No. I’m kidding. And heavily outnumbered here. 8-)

☹️I’m not gonna make it.

Well played sir.

Yikes! Spiral fractures = no joke!!!!

Great vid Tom.

oh man, that sucks! Let me know if you need a truck and ramp. Kelly 619-792-4368

For communications sake, I'd like to suggest a simple (sic) and reasonably SDAR scale that we can use to better describe group rides and skill levels. This can be tricky to accomplish without spinning out of control into a spreadsheet of cross references. It would be great to just use @paulmbowers (?) scale of .... what was it? Drive - Ride - Fall? Or just Level 1, 2 and 3. But alas, there are too many unanswered questions in between the answers for a group this varied. With a goal of keeping things simpler... and eschewing anything complex, I'd like to suggest the following scale. I "think" it's self explanatory. The following is more complex than I like, but I think it would cover the different skill levels, and importantly, the bike catagories. As we all know, a level 3 ride on a loaded ADV bike can often be a Level 1 or 2 on a dirt bike. With the following scale, an example of an ADV bike/Level Noob or Level 1 would be Otay Truck Trail and Boulder Creek. An example of Dirt bike/Level 2 might be Baileys cabin or Heat attack hill. At risk of opening a can of worms I suggest the following . . . ADV bike Level Noob, 1, 2 and 3 Dual Sport Level Noob, 1, 2 and 3 Dirt bike Level Noob, 1 2 and 3 Noob = brand new to riding moto 1= comfortable with road riding, have a very basic understanding of trail riding techniques 2= confident in gravel, sand, embedded rock, water and hills. Proficient at peg (enduro) steering and tipping the bike under you. 3= oh sh*t! Can I just have Chris Birch ride my bike out for me? Having some mastery of the clutch, brakes, throttle to find and keep traction in unusually challenging conditions. Please comment on wether you think this will help members in planning rides or deciding on what rides to attend. Any and all suggestions are welcome. If you think this is completely unnecessary, then please state so as all input is welcome.

^^^ edit. Not 'fill' the category but rather define it in general. Mid size bikes could fall either way into ADV or into DS depending on the rider. The Himalayan would certainly be more of an adventure bike then a DS in my opinion. If Buell ever get's it's 180hp Rally bike to production, I would rate that more dual sport than ADV bike, kind of like a 950SE perhaps? I'm getting dizzy again, lol. That's why I prefer a Ride Rating system. There are folks on 250's going on ADV rides with groups and riders on 1250 and 1290's doing DS rides and single track.

Can you see how quickly you knuckleheads took this to the next level?????? But I'm going to keep Zubb Death in my lexicon. I like it. A certain section of Imogene Pass comes to mind. As for ADV bike category, I think most folk would consider an 890, 900, 901, SuperT, AT, DesertX, 1200/1250, 1090, 1190, 1290 and (dare I say it) the Pan American to fill that category. As for Adventure bikes by definition . . . . well that includes everything with 2 wheels and an engine. Just ask @tntmo.

I can write you a prescription, but you can't call it in. You have to ride up to Lewiston Idaho and pick it up in person. He will not ship. You laugh, but I do have a San Diego friend who upon tasting the Peach Moonshine version around a desert campfire, put fresh tires on his GS and scurried up there just to pick up a couple quarts. I think his cost amortized out to about $850/quart. You however should take the long route via a series of stacked BDR's or simply the CDT. I'll hook you up.

I was pretty grumpy about your dates for this event as well (due to my schedule). As for that little hill you say, I imagine top of 4th gear with a cigar in one hand and a bourbon in the other should just about clear it. Might have to deflate the tires just a bit. The trick really is getting up to speed and setting the cruise control without spilling the bourbon.

Looks like we are turning toward a trail rating system rather than a ride rating system.

Perry, this a bit of a chance I'll be joining you on this. I'm still deep in the weeds with some commitments but am trying to get clear enough to ride. I'm an uncertain "no" for now and if I can make it, will be at DD early with a coffee and donut in hand.

Your organizational skills are making me dizzy. - that’s a compliment.

I updated first post to delete dirt bike level. In my postings, I'll start using this scale to describe rides, until someone proposes something better.

For the win!

Perhaps we need a 350thumper scale of difficulty. Hell, let’s just ride!

Good point Dave. And again, there is a WIDE span of what folks think each bike category can do. I like the idea of whittling it to 2 categories. Adventure bikes - 1290's down to 650's mainly Dual Sport - 800's down to 350ish. The point is not to have a precise definition because that's impossible. But to have a general understanding of bike / rider category.

Winty - great point. And I know... it's hard to know what folks "see" their bike as and what it's good for / not good for.

I wish. But I'm suffering from responsibility overload this weekend.

B E S T R E P L Y E V E R !

I concur. The question in my mind regarding this ride is, Zubb lvl2 for ADV bikes? or for DS, or dirt bikes? The West38 scale I use is calibrated to our Levels of Classes on full size adventure bikes. It works for W38 because we have a common language and skill set with our students coming out of each class. It would work for small groups of riding buddies too as they know each others capabilities. There is such a vast array of bikes and skill sets here in the club that I don't know if we could create a common language. I've thought about classifying rides by 3 categories and 4 levels: Rather than reinvent the wheel, Lets see if there's already a SDAR scale on the site here somewhere.

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Great pics!!!

If Nat Geo couldn’t find it, then I’m sure we won’t. Would love to see that episode about this.