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Oh man this sucks, I was hoping he'd turn up somewhere with an awesome story to tell.

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From the New York Daily News - "Ten packages of what appeared to be marijuana and cocaine were found near the motorcycle and body, according to a statement from the Guerrero office of public security."

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From the posted link, "They are saying it is a reburial, as the motorcycle and human remains were buried elsewhere, but were exhumed and dumped in Lagunillas."

If that's true, the contraband was most likely staged to make it look like he was involved in illegal activity.....or as a warning. I'm sure we'll never know exactly what happened. RIP

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This is why Coopdog and I no longer travel south of the border, after Steve Martz got shot and is lucky to be alive it was a huge wake up call. R.I.P. Harry.

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This is a sad story but it can happen anywhere,

RIP. Harry.

If you ride the street at all your odds are greater of getting killed by a motorist.

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sad case for sure, but if it is him for the sake of his family I'm glad they can close it.

I'm sure more US citizens were shot and killed in Chicago (name any big city) in one weekend than were shot and killed in Mexico for probably 6 months ( I have no real stats here). And many more moto riders offed on the roads here in the US in one week....

still a sad case of useless violence.

It sounds like the "gang" (or someone in the know) that killed him after hearing about the who the guy was wanted him found, he became just another casualty on a very long list of non-involved folks in the drug wars....incidently which is 100% driven by "OUR" demand for the junk...

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You baja guys need to wake up. It doesn't happen everywhere. It happens in Mexico. I used to ride down there and I really liked it. Call it what it is - a third world country with third world crime. If you're ok with that and you still want to travel there that's fine but don't pretend it's no higher risk than in the US. I don't ride my dirt bike in Chicago either. The company I work for has banned all business travel to Mexico even though we have a significant installed base in that country. As for who's fault it is I don't really give a damn and it doesn't change the situation. I don't have a problem with those who choose to accept the risk and continue to go down there. Hell I may ride down there again myself. Just take the blinders off first.

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You baja guys need to wake up. It doesn't happen everywhere. It happens in Mexico. I used to ride down there and I really liked it. Call it what it is - a third world country with third world crime. If you're ok with that and you still want to travel there that's fine but don't pretend it's no higher risk than in the US. I don't ride my dirt bike in Chicago either. The company I work for has banned all business travel to Mexico even though we have a significant installed base in that country. As for who's fault it is I don't really give a damn and it doesn't change the situation. I don't have a problem with those who choose to accept the risk and continue to go down there. Hell I may ride down there again myself. Just take the blinders off first.

We're awake and aware of life's risks - hoping nobody else wants to go down there so we have it all to ourselves.

I'll bet more Americans are killed on roller coasters in the US than are killed in Mexico.

This guy was in a known bad area and his last text was that he was being escorted out. It's a far cry from riding Baja (outside of TJ and Ensenada).

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We're awake and aware of life's risks - hoping nobody else wants to go down there so we have it all to ourselves.

I'll bet more Americans are killed on roller coasters in the US than are killed in Mexico.

This guy was in a known bad area and his last text was that he was being escorted out. It's a far cry from riding Baja (outside of TJ and Ensenada).

http://www.rideaccidents.com/coasters.html

Roller coaster fatalities from 1972-1997. Sort of dated, but seems pretty safe.

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You baja guys need to wake up. It doesn't happen everywhere. It happens in Mexico. I used to ride down there and I really liked it. Call it what it is - a third world country with third world crime. If you're ok with that and you still want to travel there that's fine but don't pretend it's no higher risk than in the US. I don't ride my dirt bike in Chicago either. The company I work for has banned all business travel to Mexico even though we have a significant installed base in that country. As for who's fault it is I don't really give a damn and it doesn't change the situation. I don't have a problem with those who choose to accept the risk and continue to go down there. Hell I may ride down there again myself. Just take the blinders off first.

We're awake and aware of life's risks - hoping nobody else wants to go down there so we have it all to ourselves.

I'll bet more Americans are killed on roller coasters in the US than are killed in Mexico.

This guy was in a known bad area and his last text was that he was being escorted out. It's a far cry from riding Baja (outside of TJ and Ensenada).

Some are and some aren't. Not saying you shouldn't go down there. It's a great place to ride. Just find it amusing that every time something happens down there someone feels the need to pipe in with the "coulda happened anywhere" or "more people get shot in Chicago" defense. It didn't happen anywhere and it is what it is. Part of the adventure of Baja. Every rider needs to make his\her decision.

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I gave up camping down there after we were robbed (burglarized) in LA Bay. But I must admit I drool over the ride reports. It seems the kind of riding you guys do in Baja is a lot different (safer) than what this poor victim was doing on the mainland. He was an easier target (living off the bike) in a really bad area.

It's just a drag that everyone who lives down there knows that every American down there is unarmed.

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You baja guys need to wake up. It doesn't happen everywhere. It happens in Mexico. I used to ride down there and I really liked it. Call it what it is - a third world country with third world crime. If you're ok with that and you still want to travel there that's fine but don't pretend it's no higher risk than in the US. I don't ride my dirt bike in Chicago either. The company I work for has banned all business travel to Mexico even though we have a significant installed base in that country. As for who's fault it is I don't really give a damn and it doesn't change the situation. I don't have a problem with those who choose to accept the risk and continue to go down there. Hell I may ride down there again myself. Just take the blinders off first.

We're awake and aware of life's risks - hoping nobody else wants to go down there so we have it all to ourselves.

I'll bet more Americans are killed on roller coasters in the US than are killed in Mexico.

This guy was in a known bad area and his last text was that he was being escorted out. It's a far cry from riding Baja (outside of TJ and Ensenada).

Some are and some aren't. Not saying you shouldn't go down there. It's a great place to ride. Just find it amusing that every time something happens down there someone feels the need to pipe in with the "coulda happened anywhere" or "more people get shot in Chicago" defense. It didn't happen anywhere and it is what it is. Part of the adventure of Baja. Every rider needs to make his\her decision.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/24411517/motorcyclist-killed-in-fiery-crash-on-i-8-identified

http://www.10news.com/news/motorcyclist-dies-in-chula-vista-crash

http://fox5sandiego.com/2014/07/08/rider-killed-after-losing-control-of-motorcycle/#axzz37TuGuJMs

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/1-Killed-Motorcycle-Crash-Electrical-Box-Miramar-266298661.html

These are just a few articles I dug up with a google search for "motorcycle killed san diego" all within the last two weeks. I'm sure there are many more.

I haven't ridden in Baja yet but plan to this fall. I am certain that riding in Anza Borrego might be safer overall than the country of Mexico (overall) but honestly I think commuting on a motorcycle is 100x more dangerous than riding around Baja. There's no way in hell you'd ever catch me riding solo anywhere in Mexico, much less in the middle of the conflict areas, but I also don't live my life as Harry obviously lived his. It is a terrible tragedy, but he rolled the dice and he took his chances. Just like we do every time we choose to suit up and ride.

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I get that but we're not comparing apples to apples .Again not trying to compare. I choose not to ride in traffic for the very reasons you illustrated and for what it's worth I also choose to not ride many roller coasters or hang out in the hood in Chicago. Just be real. Baja has it dangers. Some of it is within your control and some is not. I'm not faulting the guy who died or anyone who chooses to ride down there. It is what it is.

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Yeah, I think we are saying roughly the same thing. Baja has more inherent dangers if for no other reason than the lack of infrastructure we take for granted here. As long as you go in with eyes open and blinders off it is (to me) on par with any other danger we choose to willingly participate in. For some the willingness extends further than others. I also choose not to ride in traffic, nor do I hang out in any seedy areas of town. But that's just me. :)

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It is what it is.

Ben Taylor's favorite line.

I've been down in Baja a couple times in the past 4 months after taking a ~5(?) year hiatus. Rightly or wrongly, "safety" in central/eastern Baja hasn't been a great concern of mine but I have no illusions regardng the environment in general and try to stay away from hot spots. Truthfully, I've been more concerned about a mechanical or physical breakdown. Seems silly to "push it" past ~75% when riding down there.......you do NOT want to end up with a broken bike or body and then have to figure out an exit plan....or head to a hospital.......in Mexico.

Enjoy the experience, people, surroundings........but ALWAYS exercise caution in all aspects of the experience........ride smart, ride safe, have fun.....

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It did happen in Mexico but that doesn't mean it will happen to me. Not unlike a guy being killed in downtown San Diego, that does not keep me from going there but it makes me aware of the areas to stay away from. Like Crawdaddy, I am more worried about being injured away from any possible care. I have needed stitches in Mexico and incurred a broken a collar bone in both cases everything turned out fine but there definitely could have been different results based on the seriousness of the injury. I feel anyone going outside their door any day needs to be satisfied with how they have lived there life and be ready for it to end at anytime. If you have any fears you should not get on your bike no matter where you are going. 450 people a year die from falling out of bed. it comes down to what you accomplished and your regrets in your life because any day could be your last. I want to live like the Lee Brice song says, "I'd rather take years off my life than life off my years". I've had four serious eye opening close calls in Mexico but I've had many more in the states. When it's my time to go there will be no stopping that no matter where I'm at or what I'm doing. I guess it comes down to being at peace and relying on a higher power, for me at least.

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Just to be clear I don't have a problem with riding down there. I used to ride there quite a bit. Some members of my family asked me to stop as it made them uneasy. Out of respect for them I stopped. I understand what you all are saying. I just find it weird that every time something happens down there someone feels the need to validate Mexico. Like I said before it is what it is. It's part of the Baja experience. If your good with it then embrace it and ride on. 95% of the country are giving\caring people.

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It did happen in Mexico but that doesn't mean it will happen to me. Not unlike a guy being killed in downtown San Diego, that does not keep me from going there but it makes me aware of the areas to stay away from. Like Crawdaddy, I am more worried about being injured away from any possible care. I have needed stitches in Mexico and incurred a broken a collar bone in both cases everything turned out fine but there definitely could have been different results based on the seriousness of the injury. I feel anyone going outside their door any day needs to be satisfied with how they have lived there life and be ready for it to end at anytime. If you have any fears you should not get on your bike no matter where you are going. 450 people a year die from falling out of bed. it comes down to what you accomplished and your regrets in your life because any day could be your last. I want to live like the Lee Brice song says, "I'd rather take years off my life than life off my years". I've had four serious eye opening close calls in Mexico but I've had many more in the states. When it's my time to go there will be no stopping that no matter where I'm at or what I'm doing. I guess it comes down to being at peace and relying on a higher power, for me at least.[/quote/]

Can I get an amen!

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I have been there many time, had a lot off fun and good times, but after our last race support in 2009 and the experience driving down to the pit stop (300KM south), I quit and will way some more years to see how there can clean up the crime.

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While I may go one day it's not really on my "Must do" list. I've spent enough time over the last few years in third world countries that are generally considered "decent places" and seen how they are to be cool with visiting Canada and all the parts of the US I have yet to see. Yeah I've ridden though most states in the US But there's still TONS I haven't seen yet.

I can die a happy man without ever seeing Mexico honestly but I wouldn't be totally against going there. Been to Nueva Lareado (SP?) once when I was a kid. Late grade school early Jr High time frame. Wasn't impressed and felt very uncomftrable there. That's just me though.

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"I want to live like the Lee Brice song says, "I'd rather take years off my life than life off my years".


Unrelated to Mexico- while the incredibly selfish part of me agrees with this policy, I'm confident my son would prefer I stick around. Maybe my wife as well.

Talk with any child who has lost a parent at an early age, and the lifetime of loss and anger they feel.

I don't assess my personal danger based on what I'd do as a single person- I have the family factor.

This is true wherever I ride, and while eleventy-billion people die falling out of bed daily, (another very silly illogical statement) I suspect we can agree I'm a lot less likely to have that experience than an injury from a bike crash- I do it a lot.

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Now that we have determined it is safe in Mexico and note safe to get out of bed, Maybe it is time to concentrate of why the narcos are running Mexico.

What do you think, does the US have any responsibility or is it just all those bad people down south?

:shiftyeyes_anim:

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