KE6UPI 0 Posted January 2, 2014 Has anyone gone from Ramona via Pamo Rd to Hwy 76 using Lusard Truck Trail to Mesa Truck Trail? I would like to know if this would be a good ride for a noob? Google Map http://goo.gl/maps/Z7vG3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kato 53 Posted January 2, 2014 Lusardi is gated unfortunately so you won't be able to link to Mesa Grande from there. What you can do is take Santa Ysabel to Black Canyon to Mesa Grande, like so: http://goo.gl/maps/BSgNx (at marker "C" on Santa Ysabel stay to the right (coming from Pamo) or you will be climbing up Black Mountain, which also ends in a locked gate) I'm not sure how experienced you are but Santa Ysabel isn't too hard, just take your time if you are a beginner and as on most trails remember to stay to the right in blind corners (possible incoming traffic). And Black canyon is a graded fire road (easy) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wintyfresh 46 Posted January 2, 2014 Lusardi ends in a locked gate but you can take Santa Ysabel from Pamo over to Black Canyon, then Black Canyon up to Mesa Grande (hang a left) and on down the hill to take the 79 on a very short stretch North to the 76. [Edit: Beat to the punch by Kato, what he said!] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kato 53 Posted January 2, 2014 sdar.. ask a trail question and 5mn later get not just one but two responses at the same time! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KE6UPI 0 Posted January 2, 2014 I see a gate at Pamo Rd and Lusardi Truck Trail now on the map. How about Black Canyon out of Ramona then up to Mesa Grande. I have traveled Black Canyon many times in a red firetruck about 4 years ago before I SDR fire dept. Anyone want to give it a try on Sat Jan 11th?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kato 53 Posted January 2, 2014 I see a gate at Pamo Rd and Lusardi Truck Trail now on the map. How about Black Canyon out of Ramona then up to Mesa Grande. I have traveled Black Canyon many times in a red firetruck about 4 years ago before I SDR fire dept. Anyone want to give it a try on Sat Jan 11th?? yes, for an easier (still scenic) route you can take black canyon out of ramona all the way to mesa grande. the gate you see at the beginning of Lusardi is for cattle and can legally be opened (make sure you close it behind you). the locked gate on lusardi is a few miles up the trail (here, at the green arrow), it is still a fun back and forth ride. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KE6UPI 0 Posted January 3, 2014 Thanks Kato, I see it on the map. Just one gate?? I'll look at my fire dist map (old one that I have) and see what department the area is in. If it's CNF then I might be able to call and get it opened (legal). If its pvt land then oh well. David Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hobiee 28 Posted January 3, 2014 Thanks Kato, I see it on the map. Just one gate?? I'll look at my fire dist map (old one that I have) and see what department the area is in. If it's CNF then I might be able to call and get it opened (legal). If its pvt land then oh well. David If you can get it opened legally then maybe you can accidentally loose the lock also ??????? haha Wishful thinking. It used to be open a couple of years ago and was an awesome ride through. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HVYWT 3 Posted January 3, 2014 Thanks Kato, I see it on the map. Just one gate?? I'll look at my fire dist map (old one that I have) and see what department the area is in. If it's CNF then I might be able to call and get it opened (legal). If its pvt land then oh well. David The 1st gate is CDF , but the 2nd is pvt (both by top) . Bottom gate is usually open/unlocked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kato 53 Posted January 3, 2014 There is another beefier one shortly after the first gate.. Edit: above post nailed it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oracle 195 Posted January 3, 2014 All spot on info by these guys. To clarify one small point. There are actually two gates at the bottom of Lusardi where it intersects Pamo. One is CDF and one is the cattle gate. On occasion, the CDF gate is closed and locked... If you decided to come up next Saturday, post it up, and you'll most likely get someone who knows the area well to show you around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Goofy Footer 536 Posted January 3, 2014 From the top of Black Mountain (with the nice lookout) is it tribal land beyond the fence up there? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GY6.1911 0 Posted January 3, 2014 Yea, Id probably go riding out there ALOT more often if Lusardi & Black Mountain were not gated half way through... Oh & there were some fallen, lightning struck trees blocking access to the peak of BM, but that has been resolved... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eddie 0 Posted January 3, 2014 This is a great resource for what's open and not. Red gate means permanently closed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KE6UPI 0 Posted January 3, 2014 The land behind the gates are Mesa Grande and La Jolla Tribes.. Sorry. I'll post a new topic for a ride in Ramona for Saturday the 11th. Wife and kids are gone for the weekend. David Share this post Link to post Share on other sites