[Crawdaddy]

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/ma...nd-lake-hodges/

Sad.....

[cmayer31]

Just saw it, how aweful

I hope they can find enough evidence and destroy whoever did this.

[motomermaiden]

Someone just told me. So sad for everyone involved. My thoughts and prayers for their family. Now I am going to call my kids and tell them how much I love them and value them in my life.

[RogerTOWM]

Ok I’m not an expert but I have watched TV crime shows so let me chime in about the way searches are run. I don’t want to talk about the news today because I get very upset.
Some times law enforcement has certain areas that they want searched because they have information they need to check out. They do have limited resources so they may not respond to an area that is outside their interest. Sometimes having hundreds of untrained people running around is not the best way to find somebody. That said sometimes it works very well.

The sheriff’s Deputies can not give out to much information because of legal reasons. They don’t want the animal that did this to get off because all the evidence was exposed to the public thus having some judge saying he can not get a fair trail. They actually do have a method to searchs. You may not always get to talk to the one running the show directly but will only have access to one of the small fish who just knows their little part of the big picture. This can lead to frustration I know.

Motorcycles may not be the best way to search for a hidden person or body. They cover a lot of ground rapidly. But that also means they do not see very much. A search is slow and pragmatic. It uses more then just the eyes. Hearing and smell is also important when searching. Hearing is compromised by helmets and speed can interfere with our smell as well as vision. Motorcycles and other vehicles can not get up into rocky areas and underbrush or other places you might try and hide someone. Your speed might not let you see where someone has been dragged into the bushes.

One of the best ways to search is to use people and trained dogs walking the ground slowly and systematically. They need to have trained leadership to keep the search organized. Horses are also good because they can go most places (but not all) that a person can walk and they also give the searcher a height advantage so he or she can see a larger area.

I think that the people in charge do appreciate your offer of help but do not see how it would be beneficial for them at the time. They were a bit busy and did not spend the time with you to explain this. I know this sucks but it is the way things go. They have limited time and recourses and only want to focus on the immediate task at hand. It would have been nice if someone could have spent more time with you and talked about this with you.

I’ll tell you the truth; cops are not always the most patient listeners. Remember Joe Friday on Dragnet was always saying, “Just the facts madam, just the facts”, no patience at all. If it is not what they are looking for they have a tendency to tune out any excess information.

I think that we as a club could be helpful in many emergencies. First we need to figure out how we can help and then approach the right people with that information. Maybe we can ride out to hard to access areas and then search those areas on foot. We could be runners helping with communications when other means are down. We could transport maps and such. These might be some of the things we could do. Someone in the club could sit down and ask what they need and then help show them what we could do to fill those needs.

[2Wheels]

11:23 PM March 2, 2010: 'Strong Likelihood' Body Found Is Chelsea's

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat...d-86021177.html

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edit: oops, just realized the link C Dad posted was about this.

[dirt dame]

Her is another commentary by an active member of law enforcement from another forum that I belong to:

"My family's heartfelt prayers go out for the family and friends of this beautiful, accomplished, and promising young lady who was torn from us in such wrenching and hideous fashion. Requiescat in pacem, little one.

Expressions of anger, frustration, and perplexity abound at such times, and not just from onlookers and community members. Those of us who are or were charged with protecting society in the criminal justice system are frustrated as well. I again find myself asking rhetorically--"Why does this happen, over and over again?" What fundamental flaw in our society--or its criminal justice system--fails so miserably to protect innocent life?

I wish I had a comprehensive answer to that question--I don't. I can point at annoyances I noted during 28 years of cop work--the "defendant-centered" nature of criminal court. BELIEVE ME--it's all about the bad guys. The bad guys drive the system, create its revenue stream that fattens private counsel while depleting and straining prosecutorial resources. The nastier the crime, the better and more expensive the attorney appointed (at taxpayer cost) to represent the predator.

So, who benefits most from the system as it stands today? To some extent, the predators. Finite resources within the system dictate that corners get cut--deals get made--crimes get minimized/de-emphasized. This creates a pervasive sense in the minds of criminals that even if caught--the prospect of paying 'full price' for his/her depredations is diminished markedly. Such a mindset invites and encourages further criminality, and provides no disincentive to expanding the violence perpetrated during the commission of such acts.

But the real benficiaries of our penal situation as it exists today are the criminal defense community--lawyers and their allied associates that have created a cottage industry out of victims' violent injury and slaughter. A violent criminal released from prison is nearly guaranteed to re-offend, and the hardening effects of prison existence/survival practically dictate that these re-occurrences will have an up-tick in violence from the predator's prior offenses.

This may sound cynical (it is), but perhaps the core reason why the death penalty opponents fight so aggressively to save the lives of the monsters on Death Row is this--once that stone killer is no longer using air, he generates no further revenue stream for lawyers and their fellow travelers."

[ShocknAwe]

KLRoger, on Mar 2 2010, 07:41 PM, said:

Ok I'm not an expert but I have watched TV crime shows so let me chime in about the way searches are run. I don't want to talk about the news today because I get very upset.
Some times law enforcement has certain areas that they want searched because they have information they need to check out. They do have limited resources so they may not respond to an area that is outside their interest. Sometimes having hundreds of untrained people running around is not the best way to find somebody. That said sometimes it works very well.

The sheriff's Deputies can not give out to much information because of legal reasons. They don't want the animal that did this to get off because all the evidence was exposed to the public thus having some judge saying he can not get a fair trail. They actually do have a method to searchs. You may not always get to talk to the one running the show directly but will only have access to one of the small fish who just knows their little part of the big picture. This can lead to frustration I know.

Motorcycles may not be the best way to search for a hidden person or body. They cover a lot of ground rapidly. But that also means they do not see very much. A search is slow and pragmatic. It uses more then just the eyes. Hearing and smell is also important when searching. Hearing is compromised by helmets and speed can interfere with our smell as well as vision. Motorcycles and other vehicles can not get up into rocky areas and underbrush or other places you might try and hide someone. Your speed might not let you see where someone has been dragged into the bushes.

One of the best ways to search is to use people and trained dogs walking the ground slowly and systematically. They need to have trained leadership to keep the search organized. Horses are also good because they can go most places (but not all) that a person can walk and they also give the searcher a height advantage so he or she can see a larger area.

I think that the people in charge do appreciate your offer of help but do not see how it would be beneficial for them at the time. They were a bit busy and did not spend the time with you to explain this. I know this sucks but it is the way things go. They have limited time and recourses and only want to focus on the immediate task at hand. It would have been nice if someone could have spent more time with you and talked about this with you.

I'll tell you the truth; cops are not always the most patient listeners. Remember Joe Friday on Dragnet was always saying, "Just the facts madam, just the facts", no patience at all. If it is not what they are looking for they have a tendency to tune out any excess information.

I think that we as a club could be helpful in many emergencies. First we need to figure out how we can help and then approach the right people with that information. Maybe we can ride out to hard to access areas and then search those areas on foot. We could be runners helping with communications when other means are down. We could transport maps and such. These might be some of the things we could do. Someone in the club could sit down and ask what they need and then help show them what we could do to fill those needs.

good analysis