Golden Tyre 90/100-21 with Nitro-Mousse Results

[SoCalMule 106]

  Just installed a Golden Tyre 90/100-21 front tire with a Nitro-Mousse insert. I am amazed at how stable my 07 KTM 450 exc is now! Just returned from my initial Borrego Springs testing and found that my front end has diminished deflection over rocks (by a lot), the bike tracks in deep sand at least 40-50% better than before, and is now much more stable at high speed. As a mater of fact, I backed down my steering stabilizer one number to loosen up my steering because I'm not used to being in control so much of the time! I'm basically relearning my bike. One other thing I noted, is that the rear wheel slides out on me "much less" then before since the front end tracks so well.

  A couple of drawbacks about the Nitro-Mousse is that they are not recommended to be used for "long pavement runs" due to heat build-up. Also, they need to be re-lubed every 40-50 hours of ride time; but the offset for me is control! it's crazy good! If you can handle the drawbacks..then I recommend this setup! For me... it's much better control, and the peace of mind, of knowing that I won't be fixing a flat on the trail, in the desert, on a very warm day. I'll be installing a mousse in the rear when my Desert IT wears down a bit more. Just wanted to share my experience with you all.  

Cheers! Mark

[Dress4Less 162]

36 minutes ago, SoCalMule said:

  Just installed a Golden Tyre 90/100-21 front tire with a Nitro-Mousse insert. I am amazed at how stable my 07 KTM 450 exc is now! Just returned from my initial Borrego Springs testing and found that my front end has diminished deflection over rocks (by a lot), the bike tracks in deep sand at least 40-50% better than before, and is now much more stable at high speed. As a mater of fact, I backed down my steering stabilizer one number to loosen up my steering because I'm not used to being in control so much of the time! I'm basically relearning my bike. One other thing I noted, is that the rear wheel slides out on me "much less" then before since the front end tracks so well.

  A couple of drawbacks about the Nitro-Mousse is that they are not recommended to be used for "long pavement runs" due to heat build-up. Also, they need to be re-lubed every 40-50 hours of ride time; but the offset for me is control! it's crazy good! If you can handle the drawbacks..then I recommend this setup! For me... it's much better control, and the peace of mind, of knowing that I won't be fixing a flat on the trail, in the desert, on a very warm day. I'll be installing a mousse in the rear when my Desert IT wears down a bit more. Just wanted to share my experience with you all.  

Cheers! Mark

+1 on the GoldeTyre Fatty up front! Definitely a confidence booster. I have not gone the mousse route...been running XHD tubes...heavier but, piece of mind for me.

[SoCalMule 106]

Just now, Dress4Less said:

+1 on the GoldeTyre Fatty up front! Definitely a confidence booster. I have not gone the mousse route...been running XHD tubes...heavier but, piece of mind for me.

Thanks Chris! Anything to build peace of mind! 

[Bp619 104]

Yup got same setup in my 300xc single track bike love it. Mousse wont hold up in my dual sport way too many 80mph sprints. 

[SoCalMule 106]

11 minutes ago, Bp619 said:

Yup got same setup in my 300xc single track bike love it. Mousse wont hold up in my dual sport way too many 80mph sprints. 

Thanks Bp619! Love the 300 xc!!! Had a 300 mxc in the 1990's Great woods enduro bike! Will keep my road warrior speeds and distance to short... and under 55mph! 

[robertaccio 405]

lots of sillycone lube and the nitro will on an on, one of crew has one in from a tecat

e to cabo ride and its still alive. if you use the water based stuff lube more often. I'm liking the nitro mousses as well, all these brands have the big guy Michelin back in the lab, they are due to intro a new mousse type soon.

[SoCalMule 106]

5 minutes ago, robertaccio said:

lots of sillycone lube and the nitro will on an on, one of crew has one in from a tecat

e to cabo ride and its still alive. if you use the water based stuff lube more often. I'm liking the nitro mousses as well, all these brands have the big guy Michelin back in the lab, they are due to intro a new mousse type soon.

  Thanks Robert for the info about the non-waterbased silicone lube! Will use that in 50 hours! Glad to see Michelin is trying to get back in the hunt... may keep prices for nitrogen infused mousses in check for a little while! I priced the Golden Tire Mousse at $216.00 wonder what the extra $100.00 gets ya? 

[TexasDualler 32]

Spooned a GT fatty onto my 300 a couple years ago and have never used a different front tire since. FYI Shinko makes an exact copy (216MX?) of this tire that's a good amount cheaper if you're looking to save some money. 

[SoCalMule 106]

2 hours ago, TexasDualler said:

Spooned a GT fatty onto my 300 a couple years ago and have never used a different front tire since. FYI Shinko makes an exact copy (216MX?) of this tire that's a good amount cheaper if you're looking to save some money. 

Thanks TexasDualler for the info about Shinko! I will check into it. I wonder if they are made in Italy with the same compound? 

[Bp619 104]

8 hours ago, SoCalMule said:

Thanks TexasDualler for the info about Shinko! I will check into it. I wonder if they are made in Italy with the same compound? 

Shinko is the original manufacturer of the golden fatty when golden choose to change manufacturing and compounds from what i understand it was shinkos blend of rubber compounds and they got rights to the molds as well. I have 3 rides on my 200xcw eith the shinko fatty front and it is identical to original golden fatty. Not current one uses different compounds.

[Chuck 0]

+1 on the GT216AA fatty first put it on the ktm 690 with uhd tubes and it’s awesome.  Then after wearing out my beta 430 front I switched to a GT216AA fatty with tubliss.   

 

I like the idea of set it and forget it with the nitro moose.   Tube issues on the trail are not even worry.  

[robertaccio 405]

9 hours ago, SoCalMule said:

Thanks TexasDualler for the info about Shinko! I will check into it. I wonder if they are made in Italy with the same compound? 

They are mostly all made in Asia including the GT brand line, yes Italian owned originally by Marco Cavallini , but I even at this point don't know his role anymore may have been sold to a firm. He told me in 09 that he hunted for the best rubber compound specialists with best prices for manufacture and that path led to Korea, but if you look at manufacture on many of these tires you'll even see PRC among the location of manufacturers. Where ever it is now, the Shinko 216 is the best choice for quality and price (Shinko is owned by Yokohama Tire) that is a huge tire manufacturer and I assume that's why the price has fallen way down.

FYI historically, the pattern you all see on these tires is the FIM homologated Enduro pattern typically seen a few years back on all the major World enduro suppliers, Pirelli scorpion pro fim, Michelin enduro comps, Metzeler 6 days to name a few. The patterns have morphed a little but still maintain a very similar knob block layout with the eco 13mm knobs, hence FIM enduro regulations DOT spec.

note 2 a durometer test was done cold on the GT and Shinko 216 standard fattys and the reading was the same. as for belts and belt pattern ?? the GT216AA camw in 2 ply and 4 ply types, I believe the Shinko is a 2 ply type (more flexible)

[Bagstr 287]

   BP and Robert -  Thanks for the details.   

     Think I will try the Shinko 216 next time.  Can not say I could feel the difference between the original Golden @ 50% vs the New Golden 2ply without the Shinko rubber. 

   Does anyone local sell the Shinko 216 off the shelf?  Slavens ships the Shinko I believe.

  Bagstr

[robertaccio 405]

I order my tires from my sponsor shop NCM.net   National City Motorcycles, 1504 Nat City Blvd. John the parts manager gets this stuff done quickly and efficiently. Shinko is in their suppliers catalog whereas GT was not. Nitromousse as well as Michelin mousses I get from them as well.

[Bp619 104]

Was in my garage today changing tires and realized I have every gen of golden fatty install on my bikes. Can you spot the difference?

From left to right

Husaberg fe570 with golden fatty desertone 4 ply now discontinued maxxis hd tube

Ktm 200xcw shinko 216 fatty maxxis hd tube

Ktm 300xc golden fatty 2nd gen white label nitro mousse

Gas gas 300(not mine storing for buddy) golden fatty 1st gen yellow label tubed

Then last is 950 super enduro not running a golden fatty wont for hits radiator so on a pirelli rally pro

[Dress4Less 162]

That's one heck of a stable BP!

[robertaccio 405]

I spy the Mtn man Gas Gas 300.

[SoCalMule 106]

On 3/22/2018 at 7:17 AM, Bp619 said:

Shinko is the original manufacturer of the golden fatty when golden choose to change manufacturing and compounds from what i understand it was shinkos blend of rubber compounds and they got rights to the molds as well. I have 3 rides on my 200xcw eith the shinko fatty front and it is identical to original golden fatty. Not current one uses different compounds.

 

18 hours ago, Bp619 said:

Was in my garage today changing tires and realized I have every gen of golden fatty install on my bikes. Can you spot the difference?

From left to right

Husaberg fe570 with golden fatty desertone 4 ply now discontinued maxxis hd tube

Ktm 200xcw shinko 216 fatty maxxis hd tube

Ktm 300xc golden fatty 2nd gen white label nitro mousse

Gas gas 300(not mine storing for buddy) golden fatty 1st gen yellow label tubed

Then last is 950 super enduro not running a golden fatty wont for hits radiator so on a pirelli rally pro

Very nice!

18 hours ago, Bp619 said:

Was in my garage today changing tires and realized I have every gen of golden fatty install on my bikes. Can you spot the difference?

From left to right

Husaberg fe570 with golden fatty desertone 4 ply now discontinued maxxis hd tube

Ktm 200xcw shinko 216 fatty maxxis hd tube

Ktm 300xc golden fatty 2nd gen white label nitro mousse

Gas gas 300(not mine storing for buddy) golden fatty 1st gen yellow label tubed

Then last is 950 super enduro not running a golden fatty wont for hits radiator so on a pirelli rally pro

 

[SoCalMule 106]

On 3/22/2018 at 8:37 AM, robertaccio said:

They are mostly all made in Asia including the GT brand line, yes Italian owned originally by Marco Cavallini , but I even at this point don't know his role anymore may have been sold to a firm. He told me in 09 that he hunted for the best rubber compound specialists with best prices for manufacture and that path led to Korea, but if you look at manufacture on many of these tires you'll even see PRC among the location of manufacturers. Where ever it is now, the Shinko 216 is the best choice for quality and price (Shinko is owned by Yokohama Tire) that is a huge tire manufacturer and I assume that's why the price has fallen way down.

FYI historically, the pattern you all see on these tires is the FIM homologated Enduro pattern typically seen a few years back on all the major World enduro suppliers, Pirelli scorpion pro fim, Michelin enduro comps, Metzeler 6 days to name a few. The patterns have morphed a little but still maintain a very similar knob block layout with the eco 13mm knobs, hence FIM enduro regulations DOT spec.

note 2 a durometer test was done cold on the GT and Shinko 216 standard fattys and the reading was the same. as for belts and belt pattern ?? the GT216AA camw in 2 ply and 4 ply types, I believe the Shinko is a 2 ply type (more flexible)

Man, great information! Thanks Robert!

The side pattern of the GT and Shinko reminds me of how a rain tire will allow the water to escape through channels to exit at the sides of the tire. The GT in sand does the same kind of thing. It provides grip at medium speeds while allowing for the center knobs to sink in. Does that make sense? Anyway, they work well for me and the nitro mousse allows for a 10-12psi feel!

[robertaccio 405]

don't throw your mousses away when they get beat down you can cut and add stuff sections to get more life, my taste for fattys is that I them on the hard side 12psi plus feel otherwise they squirm a lot with their tall sidewall. right now my front is feeling a little soft, but for this weekends technical beatdown ride it will be fine next week I will cut in a section to stiffen it up.

[SoCalMule 106]

On 3/22/2018 at 8:07 AM, Chuck said:

+1 on the GT216AA fatty first put it on the ktm 690 with uhd tubes and it’s awesome.  Then after wearing out my beta 430 front I switched to a GT216AA fatty with tubliss.   

 

I like the idea of set it and forget it with the nitro moose.   Tube issues on the trail are not even worry.  

Thanks Chuck! Yep, knowing that I'm not going to get a flat free's up my psyche 

[SoCalMule 106]

On 3/23/2018 at 11:19 AM, robertaccio said:

don't throw your mousses away when they get beat down you can cut and add stuff sections to get more life, my taste for fattys is that I them on the hard side 12psi plus feel otherwise they squirm a lot with their tall sidewall. right now my front is feeling a little soft, but for this weekends technical beatdown ride it will be fine next week I will cut in a section to stiffen it up.

Great idea! Thanks Robert! 

[RobATK94 1]

another Fatty fan here.  I slapped one on my XR650R and it almost felt like a different bike!  it stuck in the corners and turned great.  My confidence to ride it hard went way up! 

Hey BP, when did you pick up the 200XCW?  how do you like it?  Sold my 250sx 2 stroke a few months ago and hope to replace it with a dedicated single track bike in the next few months.  Is that an 06/07?

Ive heard that mousse dont like long fast runs on the pavement, what do you guys think the speed threshold is?  Ive been trucking my bike a lot lately to the dirt, but every once in awhile I have to get on the street.  Last big trip we had to cut off on leg of dirt to get home before it got really late and really cold.  Was doing 50-55ish for about 40-50 miles.  Or are we talking 100+ miles, dead of summer, doing 80 mph? 

[robertaccio 405]

11 hours ago, RobATK94 said:

another Fatty fan here.  I slapped one on my XR650R and it almost felt like a different bike!  it stuck in the corners and turned great.  My confidence to ride it hard went way up! 

Hey BP, when did you pick up the 200XCW?  how do you like it?  Sold my 250sx 2 stroke a few months ago and hope to replace it with a dedicated single track bike in the next few months.  Is that an 06/07?

Ive heard that mousse dont like long fast runs on the pavement, what do you guys think the speed threshold is?  Ive been trucking my bike a lot lately to the dirt, but every once in awhile I have to get on the street.  Last big trip we had to cut off on leg of dirt to get home before it got really late and really cold.  Was doing 50-55ish for about 40-50 miles.  Or are we talking 100+ miles, dead of summer, doing 80 mph? 

Its all about friction=heat and how many hours on the mousses how hard they have been beat down, so many variables. For sure  though Number 1 is friction , so if you have the thing properly sized, snug and well lubed you will go above and beyond the standards.

example ZipTy racing did the entire vegas to reno on one set, very well lubed and tight in the tires, like 18psi feel , that is a very high speed race, they did this as a race strategy to limit pit stops and it almost worked. 

Also if you stay aware of them on pavement or long runs you can monitor your time at constant speed.

We have one crew member that has had his nitro mousses on from tecate to cabo and  still in his tires for single track use, he uses the silicone based factory lube and has relubed his regularly.

Lately for more serious riding (racing) Ive been using silicone lube (Michelin and Kreft bucket) its been wet and its waterproof lasts longer seems to have have the best lubricity and its lighter too,  but in the dry season I use the more simple easier to clean enforce tire soap bucket and relube regularly as it does lose moisture and dry out.

I gotta say these nitro mousses are very very good for me better/different feel than the Michelins. 

[SoCalMule 106]

11 hours ago, RobATK94 said:

another Fatty fan here.  I slapped one on my XR650R and it almost felt like a different bike!  it stuck in the corners and turned great.  My confidence to ride it hard went way up! 

Hey BP, when did you pick up the 200XCW?  how do you like it?  Sold my 250sx 2 stroke a few months ago and hope to replace it with a dedicated single track bike in the next few months.  Is that an 06/07?

Ive heard that mousse dont like long fast runs on the pavement, what do you guys think the speed threshold is?  Ive been trucking my bike a lot lately to the dirt, but every once in awhile I have to get on the street.  Last big trip we had to cut off on leg of dirt to get home before it got really late and really cold.  Was doing 50-55ish for about 40-50 miles.  Or are we talking 100+ miles, dead of summer, doing 80 mph? 

The folks at Nitro Mousse recommend 70 mph is the limit. They also say no pavement. I feel that keeping the bike at 50 mph for a few miles (depending on outside air temperature) will not harm the mousse. They are rated to 107 degrees. I ride 90% dirt on the Mousse.